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Complying to a scammer, but not quite the way he wanted me to!

(To any moderator, I have anonymitised everything and made sure that it is according to rules of this subreddit,I wanna share this story so please let me know should further editing be required ! please Consider this person has likely stolen thousands and thousands of innocent people so i wanna spread awareness!
So the other day (actually my birthday too :)) I found this account on IG, I saved him as Scumm in my phone but he claims to be an "Alex", hit him up if you wanna get rich it is a fiest. So i hit him up and be like:
[19:00, 23/09/2020] OP: Hello sir I am Tom, I read a lot of things about Forex and crypto and your page in particular and just inherited some money from a relative , I heard so many good things I thought you might help me invest some of that money so it is not lost?
Kindly
[19:08, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Ok
[19:08, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Welcome
[19:08, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Where are you from?
[19:09, 23/09/2020] OP: Germany
[19:09, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Ok Tom
[19:09, 23/09/2020] Scumm: We specialise on Stock And cryptocurrency trading, with the sole aim of making awesome profit from the rapid changes in price of the assets and currencies we trade. We are group of professional market analysts that studies the market picking the best assets to invest on, and as well the best cryptocurrency pairs to trade on. We have mastered risk management and as well best possible strategy to maximize our clients Profits
[19:10, 23/09/2020] Scumm: With the minimum investment of 1 BTC you can make 3.8BTC in a month
[19:11, 23/09/2020] Scumm: If I may ask do you have a Bitcoin Wallet address?
Now you can see how this is a scam and no one should ever follow such ludicrous claims! 380% in a month, if sb knew how, they wouldnt share that ,not in this world, not in this century... So i amlike:
[19:15, 23/09/2020] OP: I'd be willing to invest even 2 bitcoin but I would need your company credentials and iban to send money to
[19:19, 23/09/2020] Scumm: I can only provide you a US account to make payment
[19:19, 23/09/2020] Scumm: This if gonna be possible
[19:19, 23/09/2020] OP: Hmm I'll see maybe that works
[19:19, 23/09/2020] OP: Easiest would be IBAN
[19:19, 23/09/2020] OP: Your company does not have any European bank accounts?
[19:19, 23/09/2020] Scumm: IBAN
[19:20, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Mate I always follow procedures so I have not accept Transfer for deposit
[19:20, 23/09/2020] Scumm: But I will see to that ok
You see where this is going I want some info and make him believe he or one of his mules at least gets sweet sweet cash. NOT SO FAST
[20:49, 23/09/2020] Scumm: I’m waiting on my Colleague to forward details to me now
[20:49, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Ok so you are not sending today?
[20:49, 23/09/2020] OP: Thank u so much
[20:49, 23/09/2020] OP: I can try but I have to call bank
[20:49, 23/09/2020] OP: For over 1000
[20:50, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Ok ok mate
[20:50, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Good
[21:08, 23/09/2020] Scumm: XXXXXX XXXXXXXX
XXX Bank
Account number: 8XXXXX0
Sort code: XXXX
IBAN: GBXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
[21:08, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Are you there Mate?
[22:43, 23/09/2020] OP: Yes hi thank u so much
[22:43, 23/09/2020] OP: Let me chdck
[22:46, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Ok mate
[22:53, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Are you trying to send it now mate?
Spinning it furtherly: I just tell some yada yada about how it takes time and a signature since its such a large sum!
[11:46, 24/09/2020] OP: Do you have license
[11:46, 24/09/2020] Scumm: 25BTC too small for even my students 😂 /\SURE buddy! */*
[11:46, 24/09/2020] OP: NASAA 67?
[11:47, 24/09/2020] OP: For financial advisor
[11:50, 24/09/2020] OP: This
[11:50, 24/09/2020] OP: Sorry was upside down
[11:50, 24/09/2020] OP: ?
[11:51, 24/09/2020] Scumm: I’m an independent expert trader and portfolio management in crypto market
[11:52, 24/09/2020] Scumm: License only met to give out from head of Admin
[11:52, 24/09/2020] OP: Ah kk
[11:52, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Yes mate
[11:52, 24/09/2020] OP: But normally 67 and 68 is required
[11:52, 24/09/2020] OP: For normal managers?
[11:53, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Yes
[11:55, 24/09/2020] Scumm: have no worries mate
[11:55, 24/09/2020] Scumm: 100%
Now this is quite interesting NASAA 65 and 66 are licenses needed to be an account manager in the US so if he was he should know that i just made up 67 and 68!
[19:20, 24/09/2020] OP: Ill makethe first payment asap, but i cant make my bank go faster sorry
[19:21, 24/09/2020] OP: howeverone thing:
[19:21, 24/09/2020] OP: most of the moneyigotis still in USD isit possible u said invest and send to USbank too?
[19:21, 24/09/2020] OP: for 20kUSD and above
[19:22, 24/09/2020] OP: its hard for me topurhcase that much bitcoin on my own right now
[19:22, 24/09/2020] OP: but i see that i can trust you!
[19:22, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Mate ASAP you said you make payment today and you didn’t so I don’t know if you even sure about this yet
[19:23, 24/09/2020] Scumm: I don’t get you please
[19:23, 24/09/2020] Scumm: You mean you want your profit sent to a US bank?
[19:24, 24/09/2020] Scumm: You have no worries about that mate
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: I am
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: I signed the paper mate I am so happy
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: That's all they need I told u
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: To make payments international so large
[19:24, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Yeah you said that mate
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: I am beeing honest as well
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: So I sent it back by post Today
[19:24, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Ok mate
[19:25, 24/09/2020] OP: But I am not at my banks city so post takes 1-2 days and then they can release
[19:25, 24/09/2020] OP: Sorry to keep u waiting
[19:25, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Ok mate
[19:25, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Oh I see
[19:25, 24/09/2020] OP: No what I meant: if I wanna start with more can j invest 20k USD too? I know u usually don't do and j ask very weird questions but I meant
[19:25, 24/09/2020] OP: I am not always home have pc etc but I am in contact with u and my bank
[19:26, 24/09/2020] OP: So is it possible? Otherwise I have to convert USD to euro or GDP
[19:26, 24/09/2020] OP: 40k is sill in USD I have
[19:26, 24/09/2020] OP: That would be even crazier profits 🤑🤑🤑
[19:27, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Now I’m understanding
SO NOW HE IS UNDERSTANDING good good, and almost ready to screw one of his US mules too:
[21:00, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Ok mate
[21:04, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Can they send from US to the IBAN account?
[21:05, 24/09/2020] OGOP: Hm I don't know it's a bit tricky BC I'm no us citizen
[21:05, 24/09/2020] OGOP: I have one iban authorised to cash all out in euro
[21:05, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Ok ok mate
[21:06, 24/09/2020] OP: And US I think right now
[21:06, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Ok mate please hold
[21:10, 24/09/2020] OP Sure man
[21:11, 24/09/2020] OP: Uff such a huge step for me
[21:11, 24/09/2020] OP: I hope u do it real good 🤑🤑🤑
[21:12, 24/09/2020] OP Do you have customers in US too?
[21:12, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Bank name: Teachers Federal Credit Union
Bank address: XXXXXXX
Account holder: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Account Holders address:
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXX
Routing Number: XXXXXXX
Account number:XXXXXXXXXX
[21:12, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Sure mate //SO HE CLAIMS TO HAVE SCAMMED US CITIZENS!
[21:12, 24/09/2020] OP: Nice
[21:12, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Please make sure you send confirmation immediately
So finally I did not send him payment proof,I sent him a spoofed link to fetch his IP with a link to "payment proof" and got his IP and location (cant showr a real link bc it has my IP in it...) And was like " oh hey how is the whether in Irele, Nigeria??"
Needless to say he blocked me straight away after I called him a disgraceful sc*m but hey..... I still called the corresponding banks, the UK Fraud Action and the FBI just to make sure and shared all of the details without any editting :)
Have fun "mate"! If they can freeze only 1 $ and return it to a likely victim, I am more then happy
Cheers dont get scammed!
TL/DR: Scammed a Nigerian scammer into sending me real accounts, names and details in UK and US (mules) to forward to the police and may or may not have donated 500 to charity.
submitted by elyminas to scambait [link] [comments]

Complying to a scammer... until i dont!

(To any moderator, I have anonymitised everything and made sure that it is according to rules of this subreddit,I wanna share this story so please let me know should further editing be required ! please Consider this person has likely stolen thousands and thousands of innocent people so i wanna spread awareness!
So the other day (actually my birthday too :)) I found this account on IG, I saved him as Scumm in my phone but he claims to be an "Alex", hit him up if you wanna get rich it is a fiest. So i hit him up and be like:
[19:00, 23/09/2020] OP: Hello sir I am Tom, I read a lot of things about Forex and crypto and your page in particular and just inherited some money from a relative , I heard so many good things I thought you might help me invest some of that money so it is not lost?
Kindly
[19:08, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Ok
[19:08, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Welcome
[19:08, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Where are you from?
[19:09, 23/09/2020] OP: Germany
[19:09, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Ok Tom
[19:09, 23/09/2020] Scumm: We specialise on Stock And cryptocurrency trading, with the sole aim of making awesome profit from the rapid changes in price of the assets and currencies we trade. We are group of professional market analysts that studies the market picking the best assets to invest on, and as well the best cryptocurrency pairs to trade on. We have mastered risk management and as well best possible strategy to maximize our clients Profits
[19:10, 23/09/2020] Scumm: With the minimum investment of 1 BTC you can make 3.8BTC in a month
[19:11, 23/09/2020] Scumm: If I may ask do you have a Bitcoin Wallet address?
Now you can see how this is a scam and no one should ever follow such ludicrous claims! 380% in a month, if sb knew how, they wouldnt share that ,not in this world, not in this century... So i amlike:
[19:15, 23/09/2020] OP: I'd be willing to invest even 2 bitcoin but I would need your company credentials and iban to send money to
[19:19, 23/09/2020] Scumm: I can only provide you a US account to make payment
[19:19, 23/09/2020] Scumm: This if gonna be possible
[19:19, 23/09/2020] OP: Hmm I'll see maybe that works
[19:19, 23/09/2020] OP: Easiest would be IBAN
[19:19, 23/09/2020] OP: Your company does not have any European bank accounts?
[19:19, 23/09/2020] Scumm: IBAN
[19:20, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Mate I always follow procedures so I have not accept Transfer for deposit
[19:20, 23/09/2020] Scumm: But I will see to that ok
You see where this is going I want some info and make him believe he or one of his mules at least gets sweet sweet cash. NOT SO FAST
[20:49, 23/09/2020] Scumm: I’m waiting on my Colleague to forward details to me now
[20:49, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Ok so you are not sending today?
[20:49, 23/09/2020] OP: Thank u so much
[20:49, 23/09/2020] OP: I can try but I have to call bank
[20:49, 23/09/2020] OP: For over 1000
[20:50, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Ok ok mate
[20:50, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Good
[21:08, 23/09/2020] Scumm: XXXXXX XXXXXXXX
XXX Bank
Account number: 8XXXXX0
Sort code: XXXX
IBAN: GBXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
[21:08, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Are you there Mate?
[22:43, 23/09/2020] OP: Yes hi thank u so much
[22:43, 23/09/2020] OP: Let me chdck
[22:46, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Ok mate
[22:53, 23/09/2020] Scumm: Are you trying to send it now mate?
Spinning it furtherly: I just tell some yada yada about how it takes time and a signature since its such a large sum!
[11:46, 24/09/2020] OP: Do you have license
[11:46, 24/09/2020] Scumm: 25BTC too small for even my students 😂 /\SURE buddy! */*
[11:46, 24/09/2020] OP: NASAA 67?
[11:47, 24/09/2020] OP: For financial advisor
[11:50, 24/09/2020] OP: This
[11:50, 24/09/2020] OP: Sorry was upside down
[11:50, 24/09/2020] OP: ?
[11:51, 24/09/2020] Scumm: I’m an independent expert trader and portfolio management in crypto market
[11:52, 24/09/2020] Scumm: License only met to give out from head of Admin
[11:52, 24/09/2020] OP: Ah kk
[11:52, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Yes mate
[11:52, 24/09/2020] OP: But normally 67 and 68 is required
[11:52, 24/09/2020] OP: For normal managers?
[11:53, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Yes
[11:55, 24/09/2020] Scumm: have no worries mate
[11:55, 24/09/2020] Scumm: 100%
Now this is quite interesting NASAA 65 and 66 are licenses needed to be an account manager in the US so if he was he should know that i just made up 67 and 68!
[19:20, 24/09/2020] OP: Ill makethe first payment asap, but i cant make my bank go faster sorry
[19:21, 24/09/2020] OP: howeverone thing:
[19:21, 24/09/2020] OP: most of the moneyigotis still in USD isit possible u said invest and send to USbank too?
[19:21, 24/09/2020] OP: for 20kUSD and above
[19:22, 24/09/2020] OP: its hard for me topurhcase that much bitcoin on my own right now
[19:22, 24/09/2020] OP: but i see that i can trust you!
[19:22, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Mate ASAP you said you make payment today and you didn’t so I don’t know if you even sure about this yet
[19:23, 24/09/2020] Scumm: I don’t get you please
[19:23, 24/09/2020] Scumm: You mean you want your profit sent to a US bank?
[19:24, 24/09/2020] Scumm: You have no worries about that mate
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: I am
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: I signed the paper mate I am so happy
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: That's all they need I told u
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: To make payments international so large
[19:24, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Yeah you said that mate
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: I am beeing honest as well
[19:24, 24/09/2020] OP: So I sent it back by post Today
[19:24, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Ok mate
[19:25, 24/09/2020] OP: But I am not at my banks city so post takes 1-2 days and then they can release
[19:25, 24/09/2020] OP: Sorry to keep u waiting
[19:25, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Ok mate
[19:25, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Oh I see
[19:25, 24/09/2020] OP: No what I meant: if I wanna start with more can j invest 20k USD too? I know u usually don't do and j ask very weird questions but I meant
[19:25, 24/09/2020] OP: I am not always home have pc etc but I am in contact with u and my bank
[19:26, 24/09/2020] OP: So is it possible? Otherwise I have to convert USD to euro or GDP
[19:26, 24/09/2020] OP: 40k is sill in USD I have
[19:26, 24/09/2020] OP: That would be even crazier profits 🤑🤑🤑
[19:27, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Now I’m understanding
SO NOW HE IS UNDERSTANDING good good, and almost ready to screw one of his US mules too:
[21:00, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Ok mate
[21:04, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Can they send from US to the IBAN account?
[21:05, 24/09/2020] OGOP: Hm I don't know it's a bit tricky BC I'm no us citizen
[21:05, 24/09/2020] OGOP: I have one iban authorised to cash all out in euro
[21:05, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Ok ok mate
[21:06, 24/09/2020] OP: And US I think right now
[21:06, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Ok mate please hold
[21:10, 24/09/2020] OP Sure man
[21:11, 24/09/2020] OP: Uff such a huge step for me
[21:11, 24/09/2020] OP: I hope u do it real good 🤑🤑🤑
[21:12, 24/09/2020] OP Do you have customers in US too?
[21:12, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Bank name: Teachers Federal Credit Union
Bank address: XXXXXXX
Account holder: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Account Holders address:
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXX
Routing Number: XXXXXXX
Account number:XXXXXXXXXX
[21:12, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Sure mate //SO HE CLAIMS TO HAVE SCAMMED US CITIZENS!
[21:12, 24/09/2020] OP: Nice
[21:12, 24/09/2020] Scumm: Please make sure you send confirmation immediately
So finally I did not send him payment proof,I sent him a spoofed link to fetch his IP with a link to "payment proof" and got his IP and location (cant showr a real link bc it has my IP in it...) And was like " oh hey how is the whether in Irele, Nigeria??"
Needless to say he blocked me straight away after I called him a disgraceful sc*m but hey..... I still called the corresponding banks, the UK Fraud Action and the FBI just to make sure and shared all of the details without any editting :)
Have fun "mate"! If they can freeze only 1 $ and return it to a likely victim, I am more then happy
Cheers dont get scammed! Have a wonderful day!
TL/DR: Scammed a Nigerian scammer into sending me real accounts, names and details in UK and US (mules) to forward to the police and may or may not have donated 500 to charity.
submitted by elyminas to Scams [link] [comments]

does a (european) bank account's beneficiary and beneficiary address mean anything? Does it have to be real? (question + story)

The short: I have a polish IBAN EUR, branch address and swift codes for an account. beneficiary company is obviously completely different to the 'company' I was talking to and the bene. address doesn't match up with the addresses google spews out for the stated company.
Does bene. name and address have any significance or is it a diversion?
The long (scambait story): After nearly 4 years of getting calls from investment scammers, occasionally wasting time, usually blocking, I hoped I could at least get them to frick off for a bit by hurting their bottom line.
Waited for the inevitable call and tried to act enthusiastic about the 1000th call asking me to invest in their forex account. grilled them a little about their lack of FCA regulation, got lies and an innocent, similar sounding company's details in return. I called that company. Had fun making scammers sweat again while scrambling to come up with an excuse for why that company had never even heard of them. Why is your min deposit 100x higher than any other forex broker? Why is your website covered in conflicting information? etc. etc.
Now with the oldest bit of manipulation in the world, I release all the pressure and do them a favour. They're desperate enough by now. No more questions, Lets do this, I've even already signed up! Scammers texts are now short and rapid with excitement. "Great! we can do debit, credit, paypal, cashapp, x, y, z". Lovely! but I only do wire transfers, I even saw it on your site.
I didn't think you could see someones heart sink over text.
Paraphrasing of course. "Sir are you sur-" Yep. "How about th-" Nah, wire's always my go to "But-" Listen, if it's not wire, I think I'll have to reconsider this account. Get back to me if you figure it out.
Of course they did.
"I talked to my manager. we can offer two options. 1. Prepaid card ((HAH!)) 2. bank details"
"...it's a polish bank" (I couldn't believe it! they chose it to make it harder for a brit to verify. If only they knew my oldest friend is polish)
I immediately contact the bank and start googling. the beneficiary had a pretty normal name and I found 3 companies, doing different things; Construction, IT, marketing, all small (5 employees max) and nothing to do with forex of course. and none of their addresses matched the beneficiary address.
Everything else checked out.
After this I simply ghosted them, said I was distracted by dinner, work, and have been enjoying letting their desperate calls ring out.
So what do you think? did they pull a company out of thin air. Have they compromised one of these companies accounts? Could it be a fake account to test me or have they been stupid enough to use their OWN company as the beneficiary?
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Send Money Abroad

The world has become more connected; more people or corporates need to send money abroad for many reasons. If you live and working away from the home, time will definitely come when you have to make transfer to abroad to support your loved ones and other reasons.
Outward Remittance is basically the same as an international money transfer. Many of the sender /customers live overseas and send their hard money to support their loved ones. For example, Parents do a wire transfer to University or their son/daughter’s account for the purpose of their education.
To help them, please visit your nearest branch of Orient exchange or go to the website www.orientexchange.in
Some of the tips to be followed for good convenience:
The right place to Approach
· Telegraphic transfers or process of sending money are made through ADII RBI license holders or banks or money changers.
· Customers should remember that you just can not trust any individuals with the responsibility of sending money.
· Experts recommend choosing a better exchange house /bank that has the international footprint which makes your money transfer easier and secure.
Mode of transfer
You need to choose the option to send money. One is Wire transfer and another is Demand draft. Wire transfer is done via SWIFT i.e. Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications.
A swift transfer is the most secure and standard system which can be done by banks to their correspondents with each other. A demand draft can be sent abroad physically and takes a little bit of time to get cleared. In most of the time remittance will be received by the beneficiary bank in 48 hrs.
Process of application
Primarily, the customer has to send their documents /upload either online or visit the office or request for home verification of KYC and other relevant documents. The requirement of documents may slightly vary with the purpose behind sending the money. There is a limit set by RBI to individuals who remitting money abroad. RBI has placed an annual cap of $ 250000 to the individuals
· Rate fixing: Customer can book their forex rate by paying 2% of the transaction value or they may pay after verification of documents.
· Fees/charges: Many banks are involved in a single outward remittance through the SWIFT network. The customer is liable to pay extra fees. Two to three intermediary banks may handle the transfers so they can add their own charges. In addition to that own bank & receipt bank charges are also included in what you pay.
Duration: Remitter to receiver ‘s account
A swift transfer is transferring money between multiple banks before the funds credited to the seller’s /beneficiary account. This process will be completed from 1 to 5 working days depending on the countries where you transfer.
What details are must for outward remittance transfer?
*Beneficiary Details :
Name of the beneficiary &
Address of the Beneficiary
*Payee Bank details :
1) SWIFT CODE: Swift code is known as Bank ID /SWIFT CODE/Identifier code.
Each financial institution is having its own unique swift code. Swift code usually has 8 to 11 digit or characters.
For Ex: BANK OF AMERICA transfer, SWIFT CODE is “ BOFAUS3N”
2) Beneficiary bank name
3) Beneficiary Bank Address and branch name
4) Beneficiary Bank Account Number
5) Currency wise bank details are additionally required:
i) AED – IBAN
ii) GBP – IBAN, Sort Code
iii) CAD – Transit Number
iv) AUD – BSB Code
v) EUNZD/THB/SEK/SGD – IBAN
Attention on the exchange rate:
Customers always think about the best way to send Wire transfer at a cheap cost.
In the current market scenario, customers should know that most of the banks or money exchangers don’t use the real exchange rate. Instead of that, add more margin on top of live rates. So, customers pay more or beneficiary to receive less. To avoid these hidden charges try using online services that provide you the live /real exchange rates on all wire transfers, Currency Exchange, forex card etc….
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Looking for safe and inexpensive solution for holding/exchanging NOK/EUR/USD

I'm looking for:
Any ideas?
Some background in case you're wondering:
I'm a self-employed IT consultant and I'm currently working for a Norwegian customer via an agency in Estonia. I'm originally from Germany, but now traveling full-time.
Usually, my client (the agency) has simply paid me in EUR into my German bank account because it was easier, but now that NOK has devalued so much and I don't need the money immediately, I'd prefer to be paid in NOK. So that I can store/invest it and maybe exchange it to EUUSD some time in the future when the exchange rate is better.
However, I don't really trust German banks because of the Euro crisis and I'd prefer to have my money elsewhere. I actually also have a Norwegian bank account from many years ago when I used to work there, but I'd prefer not to use that either as I'd like to avoid issues with the Norwegian tax office ("Why is there so much of our currency in your account when you don't live or work in Norway?!").
I've thought about Swissquote, which seems to offer a multi-currency account, as well as the option to invest in ETFs/stocks. But they seem to have high fees.
Interactive Brokers is supposed to be very cheap, and they allegedly have even better asset protection. But their user interface is supposed to be difficult to use for beginners? And I guess they also don't have individual IBAN account numbers?
Saxo Bank looks very nice, but it seems a bit more expensive, too? On the plus side, they seem to support funding the account with European credit cards without a fee.
According to https://brokerchooser.com/compare-brokerage , for example Lynx is even cheaper than Interactive Brokers when it comes to forex.
Revolut is great for cheap currency exchange (I use it all the time), but they have terrible support (they once froze all my money for over a week and you can only communicate with them through their app's chat feature) and I don't really trust them as they don't have a banking license yet.
In case it matters, I have a US ITIN (taxpayer ID/"SSN" for non-residents) and credit score, and a Norwegian "D number" (basically the Norwegian equivalent of an ITIN), in addition to a German passport etc.
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Building an Open API for Fiat to Crypto gateway, KYC-less and with no accounts.

Hi, Alexis, CEO of Bity.com here. We have designed and built an open API that can be used to swap crypto with fiat. You can sell your BTC for EUR or CHF and we will make a bank transfer to your account. If you open a fiat to crypto order, you will receive instructions on how to send a bank wire to us. Once received, we will send you BTC on your wallet. In order to ensure Swiss AML standards, you will have to sign a message with the private key of the receiving account.
For regular users, on bity.com, you can make a simple payment using without the need of an account with us. Just follow the guide. This is basically like if you go to a forex shop and change some Euros notes for CHF notes.
For developers, we created some tools to help you integrate the API in your own application. The API was mainly designed to be implemented in wallets, but it can also be used elsewhere based on your needs. The documentation of the API is available at https://doc.bity.com/exchange/v2.html
On the frontpage, we have built an implementation of our API using our reference implementation in JS https://www.npmjs.com/package/@bity/react-exchange-client . This package is based on https://www.npmjs.com/package/@bity/api
Currently our API support BTC, ETH and CHF, EUR. For now it supports payments to IBAN accounts only. The limits are currently 5000 CHF per transaction per day, like on ATMs in Switzerland. Another limitation is the speed of Bank payments. When your transaction is confirmed, we send the Fiat payment immediately to our banks. But it can happen that the bank transfer itself takes few hours or days.
KYC-Less? We will still need the details associated to your bank account like your name and address. This not for KYC purpose, but because our bank will refuse to send a payment to an IBAN without us providing the proper name of the account holder. This data is actually routing data.
In the future? We want to add some more cryptocurrencies and fiat currencies, we want also to add support of non-IBAN accounts. We will also be adding an authentication layer that will allow verified Bity users to use the API without the limitations.
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Buying in the UK? Here's a cost efficient way..

Turns out most of the GBP markets are illiquid (until someone creates the TEA token), so if you're new and buying from the UK here's a way to avoid atrocious Coinbase and Forex fees. I've seen a few people ask about this and I didn't have the karma to reply...
1. Put your money in Revolut App and convert to Euros
You'll get the best exchange rate and no fees. Revolut don't like Crypto exchange transfers (and I don't think the IBAN is in your name) so we need to move it somewhere else. You could probably use Transferwise here too.
2. Transfer those euros to Fire personal account.
Fire is free and gives you a Euros IBAN in your name. They charge a lot for currency exchange, hence the first step. It takes 3 days for a free transfer to Fire.
3. Send SEPA transfer to Coinbase
Make sure you verify your account with them first (you have to send 6 Euros) and where it says 'Enter note for recipient' you need to enter your Coinbase reference. You could use Kraken, which has more liquidity and support who actually answer, but it's fairly unreliable. Maybe Bitstamp will be better. I've had this in my Coinbase account same day, generally.
4. Transfer to GDAX
It's free, instant and easy enough to do.
5. Buy using a Limit order for no fees!
Worth googling or looking on this sub for guidance on limit orders if you're not sure.
6. Send those Eth to safety
MyEtherWallet.com is an easy place to store them, but get them off the exchange! They're not (that) safe there. You can use the Metamask plugin for chrome too, it's a bit more user-friendly.
Hope that helps a British brother out. Cheers!
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Cashing Out with Gemini

I thought I'd make a post about my experience with Gemini.
TL;DR If I'd had the info I'm posting here, it would have been very smooth, so hopefully it'll help someone.
Beneficiary Bank Information Silvergate Bank ABA routing number: 322286803 Attn: Treasury Department 4275 Executive Square, Suite 300 La Jolla, CA 92037 United States of America
For Further Credit to Account number: 1000808012 Gemini Trust Company LLC 600 Third Avenue, 2nd Fl New York, NY 10016 United States Of America
But don't take my word for it, ask Gemini for clarification before linking accounts. It might be different for your bank. It went through very quickly, maybe it would've been even quicker if I'd initiated the transfer earlier in the day.